User talk:Kiteinthewind/Archive (2006.1)

Evan Mecham

I noticed that you made a recent addition to the article on Evan Mecham claiming that he was responsible for Arizona's loss of a Super Bowl and giving an estimate to the total economic impact of his time as Governor at over $500 million[1]. Do you have any sources for this information? I have searched for similar information in the past and was unable to find any (my sources indicate rumors of the Super Bowl being moved due to the lack of a MLK Day, not due to Mecham directly, and I have not found any estimates as to total economic impact just lost conventions). As the rest of the information in the article is fairly well sourced I would like to know were this information came from to maintain the same level of verifiability through the entire article. --Allen3 ^talk 21:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

• You do not have to tell me what a wonder job Mecham did in office. I grew up in Tucson, and signed one of the recall petitions during my time as an undergraduate at the UofA. The issue is not if the information is true (I personally believe the substance of the material you added), but what can be backed up by credible sources. This is all in an effort to make sure the article complies with the core policy at Wikipedia:Verifiability. --Allen3 ^talk 01:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

By chance, I just stumbled on your question on User talk:KittenKlub about your potential candidacy for adminship. Although I am happy that one of your goals for Wikipedia is to clean the place up a bit, I reccomend you take a look at users' standards for adminship before you run. Based on a count of your edits, I find it extremely unlikely that you would be supported by many users. Although I'm sure you write very well, adminship is about more than just the face of Wikipedia, it is about all the nuts and bolts behind the scenes, and most users look for more participation on, and experience with talk pages, project namespaces, and others. Furthermore, now that you have asked someone else to nominate you, you have essentially subjected yourself to self-nominated status for many users, which means you will have harsher demands made on your record. I highly reccomend you ask User:KittenKlub not to nominate you, but at the same time, I am completely willing to help you with anything you need on Wikipedia. If you would like to know more about project namespaces (like articles for deletion, categories for deletion, administrator intervention against vandalism, etc.), I can get you started on that. Just leave a message on my talk page, and I will answer any question you have as soon as I can. Thanks JHMM13 (T | C) 07:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed you're working on your user page and it's starting to come together nicely. If you need any help with graphics and layout, you can go around Wikipedia, find something you like, and use it (if you source who you took it from!). You can take anything you like from my page if you see what you like, though. Remember, if you have any questions, if you would like to become more involved, or if you simply would like to know how to warn vandals (for example), just leave me a message on my talk page! JHMM13 (T | C) 08:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Catching vandalism

This is an area I'm pretty familiar with. Usually, the best way to catch vandalism is by just patrolling the recent changes page which is accessable from the navigation menu. Although everyone is capable of vandalizing Wikipedia, 99% of it comes from users that are not logged in (the IP address guys) or users with red links for their user pages and talk pages (indicating that they have just joined up and don't know the rules yet. When patrolling recent changes (See: Recent Changes Patrol), really the only thing you can do is monitor edits made by those types of users because there are simply too many changes made to Wikipedia to monitor every one of them. While you are getting used to counter-vandalism, you might want to limit your recent changes search to only IP users (anons, as they are often called) by adding "/hideliu" (liu stands for logged in users) to the recent changes URL like this. You can click on those pages, click "history," see the changes made by the anon's edit/edits, and if you feel they are actually vandalism (and it is important to tell the difference between vandalism, good-faith (but messed-up) edits, POV edits, or things that are disputed on the talk page), you can click on the link to the article with the last good-faith edits. The line you are looking to click on will look like this:

(cur) (last) 03:23, January 6, 2006 24.80.118.62 (→History)

(cur) (last) 03:36, January 5, 2006 24.6.218.157 (→Sport)

(cur) (last) 03:35, January 5, 2006 24.6.218.157 (→Sport)

(cur) (last) 17:12, January 4, 2006 Elephantus (rv random number changes)

This was taken from an actual page I reverted yesterday titled Split (which happens to be some city, apparently). I have bolded the area you want to click on when you notice that not only were 24.80.118.62's edits bad, but also 24.6.218.157's. However, if 24.6.218.157's edits were good, you should only revert back to his most recent edit. Anyway, just click on the part of the history page that I bolded, which will take you back to what that page looked like during that edit, click "edit this page" inside that page, scroll down to the edit summary where you can type in anything from "reverted anon edits" or "rvv" or, what I always do, "Revert to Elephantus," check it off as a minor edit, and save the page. Then when you look in the history of the page, you will see this line added to the top, except with your user name:

(cur) (last) 03:24, January 6, 2006 JHMM13 m (Revert to Elephantus)

Then, if you want to verify that you really did revert back to Elephantus (there is no reason to do this, I'm just showing you how), if you check his edit with the left radio button (those little circle check boxes in the history page) and your edit (the top one) with the right radio button, then hit the big button that says "Compare selected versions," you'll be taken to this page where you can see that the versions are exactly the same. Once you've reverted the vandalism, then you can start warning the actual vandal, but for the time being, I have to run out to play some hockey. In the meantime, if you feel like you need to warn a vandal, please do your best to be very, very, very kind in correspondence with our policy on not biting the newcomers. In fact, right now, all you should copy onto a vandal's talk page if you see one is exactly this text: {{subst:test1}} ~~~~. I'll come back later on today to explain that and all the other templates you can use for vandalism. But until then, happy editing!...and remember that the biggest reason to be here is to gain knowledge, even if vandal-hunting gets to be much like heroin addiction ;-) JHMM13 (T | C) 16:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Phelps

I did explain on the talk page. It was in the section titled "Sources"... right above the section that questioned why the tag was placed on the page, ironically enough. Jibbajabba 07:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

note

Just in case you have any knowledge of this as an Arizonan. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spider Ranch.

Stubs

Hello,

Thank you for your stub submission. You may wish to note that it is preferable to use a stub template from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types instead of using simply {{stub}}, if you can.

Thanks!

Anguis 07:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Article creation

I have been looking through the list of unwatched pages (available only to administrators) and found (Reach Up For The) Sunrise. I see that you created this but were not watching it. You may want to go to your preferences and under the "editing" tab turn on "Add pages you edit to your watchlist". This will enable you to keep an eye out for any edits that are made to pages you create and help to revert vandalism. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Also if you decide to can you leave me a note on my talk page. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 19:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 19:42, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

RFC / MarkSweep

• Please stop by Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/MarkSweep regarding user's recent actions. Thank you! Sct72 00:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

In response to the comment on "War and Beauty"

Hello, Arbiteroftruth. It seems that I am a little bit too skeptical and too sensitive about the discrimination against mainland Chinese. I am sorry if my wording has offended you. I agree with your point that Commonwealth spelling should be used for British figures. But it seems that the characters in the drama are all from non-Cantonese speaking region. I think it is a common practice to transliterate the names with Hanyu Pinyin. What do you think? - Alanmak 05:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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Ngo Dinh Diem

I am very sure his last name is "Ngo" - a lot of people like to propagate their middle names within their family, I do not see how this implies that their last name is their "surname" + "middle" name. For example, George Bush (43) is George Walker Bush and his father (41) is George Herbert Walker Bush. I don't think we can infer that because people propagate their middle names that the surname then becomes "Ngo Dinh". The fact that the chinese wikipedia uses this, I feel does not mean that it is correct - although the article is about an extremely prominent politician, none of it is sourced and it is basically all speculation. All of the males on my mother's side of the family have the format "SURNAME MIDDLENAME" with the same middle name, and they call themselves the "PHI" family, and this is the case for all purposes, official and unofficial, even in Anglophonic format "MIDDLENAME SURNAME" .Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 01:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• Perhaps you should make a note that his ancestors like to preserve their middle names to separate their "Ngo" family, but I think that he is still definitely a "Ngo". My mother's family however, do not justify that the preservation of the middle name is due to any "separateness", it's just a hereditary thing. Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: Civility

Well, mr Arbitar, sir, I'd be glad to do whatever was neccessary to increase civility on here, but if you could state what article you are referring to...that would help. Not just confuse me--Dudeman5685 11:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)